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Probably already asked around here, but when did you felt confortable enough to dive into your business full-time?

What were the risks at the time?

What did you do to prepare?

author Bartolomeu Rodrigues

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For me it was more a ‘I really need to scratch this itch’ kind of thing. I had to try it out. It was calling me since I was a kid. In terms of preparation, I had a good run way + unemployment money :slightly_smiling_face:

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3 years of runway in S&P500 (all gone now)

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To be clear, my lifestyle was so cheap (and also cheap city I lived in) that $60-70k was enough for 3+ years of hacking.

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And I accumulated that from $0 in about last 2-2.5 years of having a job.

Just very boring monthly transactions to the stock broker and buying VOO at whatever price it had on the given day.

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Looking back, it also helped that the market was rising and I made +20% on those investments

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Good 2021, where all COVID checks were going to the stock market.

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One good thing about savings, is that they last more because they were already taxed, so those 50K are going to be 50K, not 30K at the end of the year

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I guess it’s going to be runway then. Right now I’m through a phase where i could become full time, but the potential project is only 3 months tops, so i would have to get something again and again and again till all the members in my future team can also become full time and have many projects in parallel

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At least my ‘indiehacking’ has more people. I wouldn’t start alone

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I thought I would feel something telling me it’s time to start phasing to full time to my company.

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It’s really hard to make these decisions, and there are always so many factors.

Some people can work a job 8h/d and then hack for 4h+ on top of that. Some have families and other social life, hobbies maybe.

Some pay for rent, some don’t (e.g. living at parent’s, partner’s, etc.).

Some like to feel the security from the job, some like the ‘no plan B’ approach.

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> all the members in my future team can also become full time That thing is not very likely for one person. For a group of people it’s going to become very unlikely.

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(also for reasons that are not obvious right now; life happens)

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True. Even if the rest doesn’t become full time, i still want to take the dip. Focusing on two things (full time job + 4 hours my thing) has been killing my drive and it’s only been 2 months now, without kids. That would also be a nice topic: kids and indiehacking. How to deal with it

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The only model that I’ve seen working with kids is when one partner can financially support the whole family for a period of time with an equal split of household responsibilities (including the kids).

So it’s basically just like two parents working full-time, but here one’s without salary. 😊

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Welllll, i dont know if my girlfriend will take that option .

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Kids or no kids

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And that’s reasonable. And that’s way early parenting is not very compatible with hacking.

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If I was you I wouldn’t wait for anything right now. Just go! 😊

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Part-time and kids (not Babys): kinda works. Fulltime? Not really, at least right now and not for me. Just too exhausted after the main job

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Maybe i need kids but put them as interns

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Yeah but it’ll take some years until they can read and use a PC correctly to make that work Working on that with my 8yo older boy right now. But he’s more into playing games, obviously :sweat_smile:

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But, but, BUT!

Imagine a 8yo + ChatGPT5.

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True

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Some kids like to code minecraft servers… A friend of mine got into tech like that

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Yeah, heard that of quite a few as well

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I left my job when i had ~50k of TCV signed

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(i was working part time a the time)

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For Europeans like me, what are “TCV signed”?

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ah sorry- total contract value i had a bunch of clients that committed to paying me money and % of funds returned for the work that I would do

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Oh cool, thanks! So did 100% of that convert to cash?

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pretty close yeah- but i underestimated how long it was going to take to get paid i had a savings that I was sitting on, waiting to quit so i wasnt desperate to get paid thankfully

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Cool, great place to be is seems! Mind me asking how much you spend per month on average? Just for the ‘life stuff’

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that was a few years ago now i can tell you what my spend is today

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it was pre-covid, so everything was cheaper

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In my case it was <$1k, now it’s $1.5-2k depending on wether I buy something new for home/work and how much I donated to our army

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> i can tell you what my spend is today Sure!

I initially wanted to understand to how many month of runway it translated

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im spending somewhere around 3200CAD per month back then it’d be closer to 2500 i’d bet

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but thats on my after-tax income

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well to be specific, thats how much i have allocated for the month theres savings in there for my yearly expenses and stuff

currently not saving for retirement which will change soon

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Wow, sounds cheap-ish for Canada (or at least my impression). Bet you aren’t renting then? 😊

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nah I rent- im married, so it helps to be able to split things with my wife

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otherwise id be living in squaller

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or with my parents

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I started my relationship because we both wanted to save on rent

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I must have some German blood in you!

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pragmatiism

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